AWStats vs Webalizer or Both

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#1 Tue, 05/13/2008 - 13:01

AWStats vs Webalizer or Both

Anyone have an opinion on whether AWStats is better than Webalizer or whether it is good to have both (because each give a different but useful view?)

I always thought Webalizer a bit lame. WUsage (we had it years on one IP in Honolulu) also showed pages trails and could identify "theft" or leached images/pages

which is one feature I would like to get back..

Tue, 05/13/2008 - 13:13
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"Better" is a hard term in this context. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and neither is perfect.

I will point out that we've just added Piwik into the next version--it ties into the Analytics module to insert the JavaScript bug automatically. It's a pretty nice tool with a lot of cool features, and a really nice looking UI.

We use Google Analytics for our sites (also available in the Analytics plugin, obviously), and it works quite well for most things--I don't know that we'll stick with it forever, as it does have some negatives (one of them being that we no longer have exclusive ownership of the data, which is probably not a huge issue, but it's still a moderate concern). I think we have Webalizer and AWStats configured and processing, as well, but I haven't looked at them in a couple of years...I get more useful data in an easier to read format from Google Analytics.

Piwik seeks to be an Open Source replacement for Google Analytics, and it's well on its way to being a pretty good option. Another choice is "Clicky" which is a service like Google Analytics. It isn't free, but it's got some nice features. I think the Analytics module will handle it as well (but I might be wrong about that one).

I haven't seen a WUsage installation in years. I'd completely forgotten it existed, though Boutell used to be a pretty well-known provider of web-related tools (back in the days when there were only a few dozen people who knew what a web-based application was). ;-)


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Sun, 05/25/2008 - 21:57 (Reply to #2)


I have Virtualmin Pro

I tried to install Piwik but I get an error that states:

The Piwik installer requires Webmin 1.412 or later.

Since I have Virtualmin Pro shouldn't Webmin be the required version or later:

Operating system CentOS Linux 5

Webmin version 1.410
Virtualmin version 3.57 (Pro)

Perl version 5.008008
Path to Perl /usr/bin/perl
Postfix version 2.3.3
Mail injection command /usr/lib/sendmail -t
BIND version 9.3.3
Apache version 2.2.3
PHP version 5.2.6
Webalizer version 2.01-10
Logrotate version 3.7.4
MySQL version 5.0.58
ProFTPd version 1.31
SpamAssasssin version 3.2.4
ClamAV version 0.93


John Wolgamot

Mon, 06/02/2008 - 20:31 (Reply to #3)

Cool and thanks,

That update today took care of the version issue.

I use Google analytics as well but I'm looking forward to seeing how this Piwik evolves.

Just a note... The installer gave a non descriptive error but it did install ok.

Just visit the URL and it may say suggest to chmod the Piwik directory to 777.

No need to use 777. Just chmod to 770 which makes it writable by the group thus giving apache access to it and it will work.

Thanks again,

John Wolgamot

Mon, 06/02/2008 - 21:17 (Reply to #4)
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<div class='quote'>Just visit the URL and it may say suggest to chmod the Piwik directory to 777.</div>

Seriously?!?!? I'm gonna have to talk with those guys. That's insane. There's <i>never</i> a good reason to 777 a directory on a hosting system.


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Tue, 06/03/2008 - 06:46 (Reply to #5)
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i just installed it. I didn't get that notice though.

Tue, 06/03/2008 - 09:13 (Reply to #6)
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I grepped the piwik files, and did find this notice. I'm not sure under what circumstances it appears. But once I have a minute to figure it out, I'll file a ticket in their tracker. 775 is the most that would ever make sense in a hosting system, and even that is too much for comfort. 755 or 750 are more comfortable. And, of course, setting 777 (or anything greater than 755) simply won't run at all under suexec.


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Tue, 10/29/2013 - 13:19

I have been using PIWIK for almost a year now. love it! (I have it installed on Hostgator/cPanel) and will be migrating it manually. It was easy to setup just following the docs.

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