Lost access to Vmin - Webmin works, WWW pages work

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#1 Sat, 05/24/2008 - 23:45

Lost access to Vmin - Webmin works, WWW pages work

Hello Joe and giant support staff, I've lost access to Vmin. Browser seeks :10000 and does not find! Webmin works. WWW pages show up.

Am going to switch to CEntOS shortly, I give up on all the problems I've had with Fedora. Soon as I work out how........... :-)

Cheers! John https://fablor.net:10000

Tue, 05/27/2008 - 12:42
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Try restarting Webmin, and let us know about any errors.

From the command line:

service webmin restart


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Wed, 05/28/2008 - 20:07 (Reply to #2)

Hi Joe,
No go.
I did that and it simply does the same loop. Attempts to execute but hangs.


Wed, 05/28/2008 - 21:07 (Reply to #3)

Hi Joe,
Just came back from lunch and it apparently did sorta veeerrry slowly execute. (attached result)
But didn't cure anything and now cannot access webmin directly either. (could be a slow waltz too, but....

> service webmin restart
Stopping Webmin server in /usr/libexec/webmin
/etc/webmin/stop: line 4: kill: (2294) - No such process
Starting Webmin server in /usr/libexec/webmin
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-dir.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-unix.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-mail.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-dns.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-web.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-webalizer.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-ssl.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-logrotate.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-mysql.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-postgres.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-ftp.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-spam.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-virus.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-status.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-webmin.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/feature-virt.pl
Pre-loading bind8/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading sendmail/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading servers/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading usermin/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading proc/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading qmailadmin/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading status/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading acl/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading cron/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading mount/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading mailboxes/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading apache/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading init/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading postgresql/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading useradmin/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading htaccess_htpasswd/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading spam/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading webmin/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading procmail/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading webalizer/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading logrotate/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading mysql/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading net/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading quota/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading postfix/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading syslog/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading ldap_useradmin/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading software/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtualmin_awstats/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtualmin_dav/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtualmin_htpasswd/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtualmin_mailman/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtualmin_svn/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading virtual_server/virtual-server/virtual-server-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading filter/web-lib-funcs.pl
Pre-loading phpini/web-lib-funcs.pl
/etc/init.d/webmin: line 21: 3270 Killed $start

Wed, 05/28/2008 - 23:35 (Reply to #4)
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Your box is working too hard on something (probably nothing to do with Webmin--it's just too busy or has too little free memory for Webmin to work).

Check "top" to see what's eating your CPU or RAM.


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Fri, 05/30/2008 - 11:48

Hi Joe,
Cannot access system at all now, since last reset.
So cannot check any further.
Have contacted Server Manager for reboot in last desperate attempt to get mail at least.

Thanks anyway,


Sun, 06/01/2008 - 01:20 (Reply to #6)

Hi Joe,
Had system rebooted and it came up.

Wasn't hardware - so it was a software thing (and I haven't ever added any curly bits to the Web/Vmin packages).

I still have Webmin 1.420 and Vmin 3.44 despite doing what I thought was an upgrade.
(System said it did!)

Did read up, but am no clearer as to how the process should be properly done.
I am surprised it isn't all automatic - or at least the option.

I am going to switch to CentOS but wondering what is required this end.
When I re-install Web/Vmin will I automatically get the latest version from my client account here?


Any potential "gotchas" to look out for in the startover?

Sun, 06/01/2008 - 11:22 (Reply to #7)
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<div class='quote'>I still have Webmin 1.420 and Vmin 3.44 despite doing what I thought was an upgrade.
(System said it did!)</div>

Do you have the Virtualmin Package Updates module? It'll appear in either a section on the System Information page labeled &quot;Package Updates&quot; with a table of available packages or just a one-line notice that looks like this:

&quot;Package updates All Virtualmin packages are up to date.&quot;

If you don't see that, then you'll want to update via yum:

yum update

And install the Virtualmin updates module with:

yum install wbm-security-updates

We used to perform updates automatically (way back in the first three months or so of existing of Virtualmin Professional). We caught hell for it from numerous users (and we didn't even have that many back then), so we'll never go down the automatic updates path again. (We mainly caught hell because CentOS/RHEL and Fedora all had a bug in mkinitrd that leads to an unbootable system on kernel updates. Not our fault, but since we're the ones that turned on automatic updates, we caught the blame.)

Note that there is nothing magical in how we were handling automatic updates. You could set it up today without any hassle at all.

To do that on Fedora or CentOS:

Be sure yum-updatesd is enabled and running. You can see that in the Webmin:System:Bootup and Shutdown module.

Edit /etc/yum/yum-updatesd.conf

Find this line:

do_update = no

And change it to:

do_update = yes

Save it. You might also need to restart yum-updatesd after making this change.

Because our packages all come from yum, a yum update will update Virtualmin and all related packages. (However, if you've configured any alternate repositories, you might find that updates can break things.)


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Sun, 06/01/2008 - 11:25 (Reply to #8)
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<div class='quote'>I am going to switch to CentOS but wondering what is required this end.
When I re-install Web/Vmin will I automatically get the latest version from my client account here?</div>

The documentation covers installation in some detail:


And, yes, when you download install.sh it is always the latest available version. And, of course, when you run install.sh it will install a bunch of software from our yum repositories, so the packages are also always the latest available versions.


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Sun, 06/01/2008 - 04:41 (Reply to #9)
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from my own experience I can say this.
I installed CentOS 5.1 with bare minimum, then did yum update, then did the install.sh all according to the documentation.

The installation went smooth and without any errors.
Some issues I had after that were all my doing for not knowing enough when I started out.
When I started I knew absolutely nothing about Linux/Centos/virtualmin etc. So if I can do it, anyone can do it. lol.

Sat, 05/31/2008 - 12:58

I have a 2 week old install of webmin which as far as I could tell was running fine. I just install Virtualmin using the install.sh provided on the serial number page.
I am running on Ubuntu 6.
After the Virtualmin install I logged into the 10000 port and got a webmin page. The page is the System info page:
&quot;System hostname 16631-40345
Operating system Ubuntu Linux 6.06.2
Webmin version 1.410
Time on server 31/May/2008 13:46&quot;
And the webmin navigation block on the left.

I ran the
dpkg -r virtualmin-base

and then
apt-get install virtualmin-base

Restarted apache and webmin but still get the System Info page as a start point and no evidence (to me at least) of virtualmin

Any ideas what's up?

Sun, 06/01/2008 - 11:12 (Reply to #11)
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Hey Nick,

<div class='quote'>I have a 2 week old install of webmin which as far as I could tell was running fine. I just install Virtualmin using the install.sh provided on the serial number page.</div>

This is a very different problem from the one himagain has brought up. You'll want to start another thread to discuss the problems you're having, or file a ticket in the issue tracker. install.sh really only works well on a freshly installed OS. It can, of course, be made to work fine on any non-production system (but if your system is in production, you'll definitely want to get us involved in the process--install.sh can break things). But, you'll need to make sure Webmin and Usermin aren't running, particularly if you installed them via tarball (which we never recommend on systems that have better packages available, like Ubuntu).


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